Playtest v1. ), ( Lotus Petal or Arcane Signet. by Oogieloves. I've seen lists run anywhere from 0-3 and I was wondering what my fellow GDS players' opinions were on her inclusion. Cutting spectral procession for Liliana of the Veil leaves no reason to play another tokens while you can play Goyf and Siege Rhino. B/W Stax And lastly, if those cards are too powerful for the format, please list some suitable alternatives. This is the daddy of stax pieces, and it will frustrate tons of decks. Of course just because you play esper, it doesn't mean you need to play counterspells. 2x Ceremonious Rejection. This site is unaffiliated. Weathered Wayfarer - Can be a useful card in these types of builds if you want to investigate further into land based tech. How necessary is it to have Liliana of the Veil? Card Kingdom 563.70 - 590.70 . Even if I consider the perfect scenario of Runechanter's Pike giving +10/+0, that would just mean one poison counter. They are immensely more powerful than yours. It is also probably stronger against Eldrazi, since -2/-1 doesn't kill many of their creatures. I recommend the following changes to make this build more budget-friendly: Chains of Mephistopheles -> Mind Rake or Imp's Mischief, Mana Crypt -> Liliana of the Veil is a classic black planeswalker, and for good reason. ), Can I make my opponent sacrifice all their creatures. by ghandio, Leovold Control 43.15 - 99.99 The hybrid costs help in 3 color mana base, Beastmaster Ascension - Put those bears to work. 2x Collective Brutality. If you have any suggestions feel free to share them but remember that this is a post rotation deck and will stay that way. Expensive to cast, solid choice at 1, maybe 2 for a deck. It's just op. Smallpox - Nasty board control, another way to imitate the hate effect Thalia has on an opposing mana base while also hitting creatures in play and forcing a discard. Turning this into a more reliable modern control deck. Return trigger works great with Ghost Quarter. Definitely a good consideration for a budget deck but has no place here. Spectral Procession is our hugest topdeck, and if we choose to cut it for Liliana, I don't really understand why do we need Virtue and other silly stuff. Yeah Courser saw play in some T2 Abzan style decks that couldn’t afford the suite of Liliana of the Veil and Lingering Souls. Hope has less value in a vacuum. Similar Deck Space Auto-suggestions. 1x Kozilek's Return. -6: Separate all permanents target player controls into two piles. 2x Ceremonious Rejection. Attention! Root Maze - This card pulls double duty against fetch lands, and will generally slow the game against any style of deck. Targets neither the player nor the creature, so useful against hexproof/shroud and other hyper evasive creatures. Having it as a mainboard is not a good idea. 5c Reanimator, BW - Orzhov, and BR - Rakdos in Highlander. Also, you can take out the 5 fetchlands for 5 Swamps. Help | Also mana rocks and rituals aren’t even similar. by HxC-Spazz, Go Ninja Go Ninja Go Mana rocks can be reused every turn. I have all of the cards that might show up in a typical 75 other than Liliana of the Veil. As I mentioned Unearth, I should say something about it. Chord of Calling - Lets you pull Aven Mindcensor from your library at instant speed, also gives Mindcensor something to do on the battlefield if you can't swing with it. Upvote 0. Works well on stalled out boards, but your bears have to survive the swings to turn this on. 1x Engineered Explosives. DMCA requests | The Dragon would be a sideboard card against more grindy matchup less because of the regeneration and more due to being able to have haste. It's not something that develops my game plan. It's incredibly expensive and its not super strong in commander. Upvote 0. There's a reason no one plays it. Liliana of the Veil MTG Prices Other people can view your private deck by using this url, Seems there are no cards in the Acquireboard. Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet is also nice. [-6]: Separate all permanents target player controls into two separate piles. Look at Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite, Hokori, Dust Drinker, Kataki, War's Wage, and Gaddock Teeg. However, that also means I would be down a threat. Good 3x include, but you will occasionally mulligan another hand when you see 2x of this. Half assing that decision is a terrible idea. And as always +1 if you like it. ), ( 2x Collective Brutality. I get that you don't mind discarding instants and that her minus ability allows you to cast them, but if you're looking to be more budget-friendly I'd suggest cutting that one first. So I've recently started playing Grixis Death Shadow and love the deck. Articles and comments are user-submitted and do not represent official endorsements of this site. One of these after playing Luminarch Ascension can give it the perfect amount of space to turn on. This will usually turn off something in an opponent's deck, requires a bit of build around on your end. If you have any suggestions feel free to share them but remember that this is a post rotation deck and will stay that way. Veil has less decks that it completely destroys -- my beloved Bogles is one of them, but it would also be handy against Tron and Death's Shadow. Feeds | Useful with Manlands to guarantee beaters. 1x Engineered Explosives. Maybe it could be worth in other builds, but I'm not a huge fan of it. It is also a great maindeck answer to hexproof creatures and a … Can Lightning bolt kill Liliana of the Veil on cast? You pretty much never want to play this without either Mindcensor or the Arbiter, so I'd look at 1-2x inclusion. 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